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Successful Life Podcast
Balancing Success: Dylan McCabe's Journey from Skepticism to Faith and the Power of Mentorship in Business and Family Life
What if you could master the art of balancing work and family life while achieving professional success? In this episode of the Successful Life Podcast, we promise you'll gain invaluable insights from Dylan McCabe, co-founder of Limitless Roofing Group. Dylan takes us through his inspiring journey from a passionate skeptic to a master's degree holder in theology. Discover how managing a large apartment building taught him the critical importance of setting boundaries and being fully present for his wife and daughters, ensuring business obligations never overshadow family time.
Join us for a heartfelt discussion on the transformative power of mentor relationships. Corey and I recount our own personal stories of overcoming ego and embracing humility. Learn how candid conversations and guidance from mentors helped us shift our perspectives from self-centeredness to genuinely caring for others. We also explore how leveraging collective buying power through Group Purchasing Organizations (GPOs) has revolutionized industries, particularly in roofing, and created a community of learning and mutual support.
Prepare for an emotional and spiritual exploration as we share unexpected encounters that led to profound awakenings. From challenging Christian beliefs over tea to a powerful moment at a wedding reception, these stories highlight the journey toward faith and the importance of genuine connections. We also touch on navigating relationships with trust and acceptance, emphasizing self-acceptance and transparency. Plus, get a sneak peek into the upcoming Limitless Roofing Summit at the Kansas City Chiefs Stadium, designed to provide roofing business owners with insights to elevate their businesses. Tune in for an episode packed with life lessons, personal growth, and the power of community.
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Welcome to the Successful Life Podcast. I'm your host, Corey Barrier, here with my man, Dylan McCabe. What's up, McCabe?
Speaker 2:rather, man, you pronounced it right. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1:Dude, I usually F people's name up. I'm not going to be honest with you. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:What's up, brother? Hey man, Thanks for having me on your show.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, 100%. So, Dylan, before we dive into our conversation, can you just give everybody a little bit of background about you? And yeah, just a little bit about who Dylan is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, sounds good, man. So I'm one of the founders of the Limitless Roofing Group, which is a buying group in roofing and the idea comes from healthcare. But HVAC, you know, the world of HVAC has buying groups, plumbing has buying groups, but I got into roofing four years ago and they didn't have any, so we created one. So I'm one of the co-founders of that and other than that man just passionate about being a dad, and try to be the best husband I can be, the best dad I can be, and and uh, just try to enjoy life, man. Everybody gets too, too wrapped up in the grind and it's like man you're, you're never going to get this time back. You need to learn how to enjoy it, how to relax a little bit.
Speaker 1:You know, um, that's not always come easy to me, I'll be honest with you. You know I I've easy to me. I'll be honest with you. You know I've been sober for a little while now and you know, when I feel like I'm getting jammed up or I feel like things are not going my way, I just need to take a pause, Take a pause and just reassess. And sometimes I just don't know what the right decision is and so I just don't make a decision. And I just bring that up because you know, you mentioned family and running a business and the kids, and lots of times I know for me in the past I can easily let a business decision or business obligation I can justify that business obligation over spending time with my family, and I did that for many years and I've learned a lot of lessons that way. So how do you balance that?
Speaker 2:You know I was. I moved to Dallas in 2009 to get a master's degree and the job that I got was it was actually at Dallas Theological Seminary I want to get a theology degree, and so and there's the whole story there I didn't grow up going to church or anything. I was actually a pretty passionate skeptic. But long story short, graduated from a Bible college with a leadership degree, then went to Dallas to get a master's degree in theology, and the job that I got while I was there was manager of this big apartment building they had on campus for single students, and I think that we had like 400 plus 400, 500 residents, that we had like 400 plus 400, 500 residents. Well, I was the manager of the whole building, so everybody knew me by name and knew what I looked like, and from 6 AM until 12 o'clock at night, I'd run into people or get a text or an email or a call, and it was always Dylan, do you have a minute? Do you have a minute? Hey, do you got a minute? Do you got a minute? I call it death by God of minutes. So I started burning out Like I've got a huge workload. I've got all these residents that seem like I'm like, have nothing better to do than answer their questions from sunup to sundown. And I talked to the. You know, as so happens in life, you talk to somebody, you have a conversation with somebody that's wiser, and that's the turning point.
Speaker 2:So I approached the married couples building manager and they had thousands of residents, way more people, and I just said, andrew, how do you do this? I mean I'm from morning until night. It's got a minute, got a minute, got a minute. He said, well, do you have office hours? And I said what do you mean? Do I have office hours? I'm in my office all the time. He said no, do you have structured office hours where you're available to the building and then outside of that time you're not available? And I was like light bulb moment. I mean, I was like I said no, I don't have that. And he said, okay, look, post office hours on your window, email the whole building and say anytime during these hours you can call me, text me, drop by. I am here for you Outside of these hours, send me an email and, if it's an emergency, call 911.
Speaker 2:And that taught me one of the most powerful lessons I've learned about boundaries with work life and personal life and I've carried that really pretty, pretty intensely forward since that was back in 2012 or back in 2009. Sorry, and I've carried it with me since then and I just it's like you know what. Even this is my company limit. This is my company. It's success and failure is on my shoulders. But, man, at five o'clock I stopped working. I go home. When I get home, I set my phone face down on the counter, I take my Apple watch off and I am all in on being with my wife and my three daughters and I don't care if it takes us longer to grow this company. If I can grow the company and have a healthy family life, I'd rather grow the company slower and up, and I've kept those boundaries in place. And man, nobody, no, not no, almost nobody operates that way. So people will message me at 8 pm. I just don't even respond. It can wait till tomorrow If it's an emergency call 911.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because nothing's going to be so important that you have to answer that text or call at 8 o'clock I mean there's just not going to be anything that important.
Speaker 2:No, I made a post on Facebook one time. It really stirred the pot and it said 20 years from now, the only people who will remember that you worked late are your kids. And I got almost 300 comments and I mean it pissed some people off. But the interesting thing was our community is roofing owners and some of these guys are making really good money and I had several guys comment and saying you know, you're right, I've got a 20 million dollar a year company and my kids won't even talk to me yeah, yeah, you're, yeah, 100, but it's sometimes it's a real, you know it's.
Speaker 1:You know when you're in it, when you're in it, when you start to make, when you start to make money and things are starting to look up financially. Sometimes, or maybe even lots of times, it's real easy to say, well, I'm providing all this great financial life for the family. They should be cool with me working 15 hours a day and how that's going to end, and really that's feeding an addiction of making money, right, and so every addiction starts out great and it ends bad. Well, I don't know if it starts out great, but every addiction ends the same way, which is a disaster. Every addiction ends the same way, which is a disaster, and that's exactly what you know. When you're sacrificing your family and your kids, that's what happens. I mean you can't expect. I mean maybe maybe people do expect that. I don't know, but likely making that money is not as important to them as it is to that business owner.
Speaker 2:Yeah, a hundred percent man I talked to. I was talking to one of our members in our group about this, this topic, and he said you're right. He said I'm making more money than I've ever made and I'm more miserable than I've ever been. And I was just like, oh man, that hurts, Just hurts to hear that, you know, but you can't get the time back. That's the problem is, you can't rewind the tape. No, you can't go back and say, oh dang, you know, I wish I would have gone back when my daughter was seven years old and made time to sit with her and hear her little stories and play Candyland with her on the floor. You know, you, just you can't get. It's too late, you can't go back and I just I grew up in a broken home, so I'm real sensitive about having a healthy family life and being there, being present, not just being a source of income.
Speaker 1:So I'm glad you said that. You know one of the things that I've been working on diligently is being present. I think you know I'm 46 years old. I've probably not been present 45 and a half of those years and so I think about, whenever I think about like I'm here talking to you and my only focus is here talking to you right now, if I'm thinking about what I've got to do in an hour, like I'm here talking to you and my only focus is here talking to you right now, if I'm thinking about what I've got to do in an hour or I got to think about what happened two hours ago, I can't be here with you and it just really has made me realize how much I've probably maybe not even realize how much I've missed. I realize how much I've missed. I just couldn't even begin to tell you all those things because I missed them. I'm just not willing to do that today.
Speaker 2:That's good stuff. How did?
Speaker 1:you? How did you stumble across that? I'm just curious how, what made you kind of come to the realization of, of being present and kind of come to the realization of of being present.
Speaker 2:And for me I had a. I had a mentor in Bible college and I was, um, I was one of these guys that was a really passionate skeptic about religion, christianity I mean to the point to where if I even met somebody that said I'm a Christian, I would kind of start an interrogation like really like really you really believe in the Bible? You know some book written by men, all this stuff, and so I was just really intense, really intense guy. And then I became a believer through some events that I just couldn't turn away from, where I felt like God showed up in my life in a real powerful way and revealed his love to me opposite direction, and became extremely intense and passionate about that and got some early you know, they would say early success in the business world, in the world of Christianity. I had a passion for preaching and teaching. So I started getting up in churches and preaching and teaching and I'm studying the Word all the time and really developed some pretty hardcore arrogance and thought that I was a lot smarter than most people and with my background you had kind of an edgy background and felt like a lot of Christians were naive about that and naive about where people are in general in life, and so I really became really unteachable, and when I would interact with people, I would just really want to tell them something like what I like, corey. Hey man, man, you know I hear you talking. Here's what I think you need to know. And so everybody was just like this I would just want to deposit truth and knowledge.
Speaker 2:And I had this great mentor and I'm so thankful to God for this guy because he did not think everything I did was golden. And he pulled me aside one day and he said hey, man, I love your passion, but it's not about you Like all this stuff you're passionate about when you get in conversations with other people. It's not about you, it's about them and all of your, the stuff you're reading and learning and doing. It's not about you, it's about them. And he said I want you to think about how well you really know people and when you get in a conversation with them, try to figure out how much you can learn about them, their background, what they care about, what they're like. And he said you need to just take a keen interest in people and make it your pursuit to get to know people and at the time I had really unhealthy relationships because, again, nobody I mean, I didn't want to be your friend, I just wanted to teach you something, right.
Speaker 2:And it radically changed my life because I realized I really didn't know people very well at all and I had to pray. I felt bad about it for like a year straight. I just felt like a piece of junk. You know, like man, you're this egomaniac, but I prayed and prayed and prayed and just asked God to change my heart. And you know, I said give me the love and interest in people that you have. And now today, man, I throw it like this is the best part of my day just sitting talking with you, getting to know you a little bit better. That's the best part of my day. And so I love it. And I love getting to know people and learning about them and just asking questions and listening, and I hopefully I talk way less than I used to.
Speaker 1:That's pretty phenomenal that you mentioned that. I had almost identical experience. It was in November, in fact, I was at RoofCon. I was at RoofCon in 2022, and a good buddy of mine, jeff Boab, said hey, I want you to meet this guy named Eric O'Bram. You may know Eric, yeah, I know Eric. So Eric is, you know. He does not hesitate to tell you how he feels.
Speaker 1:Well, I didn't really know Eric, but Jeff said you need to meet this guy. We're both, you know, had been in sobriety and I was actually smoking weed at the time. I didn't tell Eric that at the time. He knows that now, but I told him. I said you know, I just don't, I'm not going to go back into the rooms and I'll just leave it at the rooms. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying Recovery rooms, let's leave it at that. And he said you know, corey, yeah, it's really not about you. He said it has nothing to do with you. He said but you're making it about you. And it was like a sledgehammer hit me between the eyes because he was a hundred percent right. It was all about me.
Speaker 1:And you know, from that day forward, I've practiced the principles of that program in my life and I've, you know, I've obviously quit smoking weed and I'm completely sober, but that conversation changed my life, just like it did yours, because it's so easy for me to get caught up in my own ego, it's so easy to think about what I want me to get caught up in my own ego, it's so easy to think about what I want, and it's really easy for me to tell you what you should do, because that's what I think. And the truth of the matter is like this. You know, ego is not your amigo. You know is, but it's a battle. There are days that it's a battle for many different reasons, and so that, yeah, I'm totally with you on that. So tell me a little bit about, tell me a little bit about Limitless. How did you, when you say it's a buying group, define that for me in the audience?
Speaker 2:Yeah, technically it's a GPO or group purchasing organization. And I was in healthcare for a couple of years and they had these big GPOs in healthcare and I mean, in fact there's probably at least a hundred of them, and all it was was hundreds of independent doctors coming together. So guys that have their own practices, they don't work at a big hospital and you just get like, let's say you got a thousand. You know rheumatology doctors. All they do is see patients with arthritis. Well, they would come together in a big group and then they would go to suppliers just like in roofing there's, there's only a handful of major suppliers in healthcare. They would go to the supplier and say, hey, there's a thousand of us, we represent whatever it is a hundred million a year in spending on materials and medicines and all this stuff. If we all buy from you and not your competitor, what kind of deal can we get? What kind of relationship can we form here? And they would secure amazing group deals. And so all of the doctors made more money and were more profitable because their costs were reduced. But the supplier also got guaranteed business from a big group. So it was a total win-win. It's a win for the supplier, a win for the buying group and a win for the members of the buying group.
Speaker 2:And so when I got into roofing I started asking around where are the buying groups in roofing? And everybody's like, what do you mean? Like companies that buy other roofing companies? No, no, no, that's private equity purchasing groups. Buy other roofing companies? No, no, no, that's private equity Purchasing groups, collective buying power. And everybody just kind of said I don't know, I've never been a part of anything like that and I thought this cannot be a reality. And long story short man. We started one with nothing but an idea, nothing but an idea. We approached one of the big three suppliers and pitched the idea to them.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, that's phenomenal. Well, roofing, nothing against roofers, but the industry is a decade behind other industries in technology and just best practices. And again, it's not knocking like Limitless is bringing that a lot more current right, because you know that's phenomenal. So how many people like you started out at zero, right? You started out at zero people in the group. How many people are in this group now?
Speaker 2:We've got about just under 300 companies in our group now at the time of the recording of this show. We hope to be at about, you know, six to 700 by the end of the year.
Speaker 1:What's a hell of an impact.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and the thing we're passionate about is bringing guys together Because, like, you and I are having a conversation, we're both going to be blessed by it. Iron sharpens iron. You're going to say some things that affect me and likewise. And so we have the buying group and we get our group deals on shingles and general liability insurance and all that stuff. But we have a paid membership and that's where the community comes in. You get to be a part of a private community. We've got training, masterminds, owners helping owners and coaches and consultants are great. I love that stuff. But if one owner can go to an other and say, hey, man, you went from 5 million to 15 million in three years, how did you do that? And they can share, that's way more impactful than some talk or some coaching engagement. I mean, it's just so. That's that's. The wonderful thing is when we see that happen.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and in those owners coming together and saying, hey, this is what I did, that completely set me back and these are the things that if I could have changed it would have taken me to 30 million. If you give your scenario there, you know those things are equally, if not maybe even, more important to know than really what they did. Right, you know what I mean? Because the mistakes is what cost you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but in going back to your comment about ego, would you say ego is not your amigo.
Speaker 2:Yeah your comment about ego. It would you say ego is not your amigo. So that's so. We, we, we kind of tend to attract guys that are learners, who are humble, who want to grow and learn from others. But we have and I'm not on sales calls anymore, but when I was every now and then we get somebody that's like yeah, I'm this and I've done that, and they're just almost come across like they. They're going to teach the group a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2:And I would tell a story of when I got into Brazilian jiu-jitsu and I went to a gym here in Dallas and the founder is Carlos Machado, which a lot of people don't know who he is, but he's like right up there with Voice Gracie they're cousins. He's a ninth degree black belt and you can get private lessons from him for like 500 bucks, for like less than an hour out. It's ridiculous. But he's the nicest, coolest guy. Like he walks in and shakes your hands like hey, man, glad you're here, and it's just the coolest vibe and culture.
Speaker 2:But they had this sign over the door, right Before you get onto this massive mat that can hold like a hundred people, and it says check your ego. At the door mat that can hold like 100 people and it says check your ego at the door and the reason is because you could be a blue belt and get some new white belt that's only been in there for six months and is just really talented, and you get submitted by somebody beneath you or you finally get to blue belt as a white belt and all the season, blue belts and purple belts have just been waiting for you to get that blue belt. So now they don't have to hold back and you just basically get your butt kicked for a year straight. And so I tell that story and tell guys like, hey, this group is for guys that are learners, who are humble, who are growth minded, and I don't think you're a fit. I mean, I've straight up told a few guys that I don't think you're a fit for this group.
Speaker 1:I don't think you're a fit. I mean, I've straight up told a few guys that I don't think you're a fit for this group. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. I'll tell you one of the thing. You know, I did jujitsu for a very short, short, short amount of time and I actually met Hoyce Gracie, which was one of the coolest things ever. And you know, when we go back we talked about presence earlier. When we go back, we talked about presence earlier. Like that's the one thing in my life that I, I, you have no choice but to be present right then and there, or you or you're gonna make a mistake, and like it's. I mean it's so intense that the focus that you and even I have adhd, but like all that goes out the window, like there is no ADHD when you're on that mat. I mean it's, it's wild, it's wild.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's very humbling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no question about it, no question about it. And you can't muscle at least my experience, my little bit experience. You can't muscle your way through that because that's the guy that's going to lose no, and I'm, and I'm, I'm six, four, 240 pounds.
Speaker 2:And so the instructor you know the black belt instructor would always call me over to demonstrate on. He'd be like, you know, choke me, mccabe or what I'm just like, oh gosh, this is gonna be hilarious, so um.
Speaker 1:So let's you mentioned earlier you said you said something about you know, there's been a couple of times in your life that I want to say that you were referring to maybe, you know, having a, maybe a God moment. Uh, is it safe to assume that was probably potentially a difficult time in your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'd say, well, when I, when I had my encounter and develop a relationship with God, really I was having a lot of fun.
Speaker 2:I mean people say like you have to be at rock bottom before you reach out to God or whatever. I mean I was having a lot of fun there's a lot of fun to be had out there and partying, and um hanging out with, with, uh, the girls I wanted to and the places I wanted to, and um was working out all the time at the gym and working various jobs and um developed a relationship with the guy at the gym and we became really good friends and he was my first really genuine Christian friend and I argued with him for two years over. We started to meet at a place called Cafe Brazil in Houston and I tried to get him to leave the faith and argued with him for two years over tea Egyptian licorice tea and just hurled all the questions I could at him. And at the end of two years I realized two things. One is I realized he had really good answers. Like every, every answer he had just seemed to make really good sense and I had no answers. All I had was questions. And the second thing I realized about him was he just had this goodness about him that I didn't have. It's really hard to describe, but he just had this goodness and I knew I didn't have it and really hard to describe. But he just had this goodness and I knew I didn't have it and I knew none of my family members had it and definitely none of my friends had it. I mean, we're out there raising hell, you know, and I was in my early twenties and uh, and I said, hey, man, like you've got something really special about you and I know it's all connected to this Jesus stuff.
Speaker 2:So I want the best book you can give me and I want reasons for why to believe this stuff. I don't want to just know what it is. And he said, okay, I've got a book for people like you that are really skeptical, love to break things down and tear ideas apart. And he gave me a book called Mere Christianity by CS Lewis, and CS Lewis is the guy that wrote all the Chronicles of Narnia books and he also was a really passionate atheist, skeptic who taught at Cambridge University in England and became a believer largely through JR Tolkien, the author of Lord of the Rings. So anyway, I start reading this book and I'm thinking to myself I'm going to rip this to shreds, I'm going to poke all the holes possible and the exact opposite happened. Every page I read I was just like, oh, that makes pretty good sense.
Speaker 2:And then I ended up meeting a guy at a wedding, or a guy came over to our yard rather to cut our lawn I had knee surgery so I couldn't cut the lawn and I took him to the backyard and he just said, out of nowhere. He said Dylan God's telling me to talk to you about Jesus. And the normal me would have been like dude, get the F out of nowhere. He said Dylan God's telling me to talk to you about Jesus. And the normal me would have been like dude, get the F out of my yard. But something told me to sit there and listen and he asked me a question I'd never heard before. He said Dylan, do you have any idea how much God loves you? Do you have any clue about that? And we had had the police called at Christmas, just months before this, because I had attacked my brother-in-law. I found out he was doing some messed up stuff and I decided I was going to take him out.
Speaker 2:I was just that kind of guy. So for somebody to tell me that God loved me, I was like what are you talking about? And man, he went off. He basically preached a whole sermon to me in my backyard this total stranger. And so that hit me really hard.
Speaker 2:And then, but I didn't, still didn't believe. I was like, look, man, you clearly believe this stuff. Like you're all excited about it. You're asking me to say a prayer with you and all. Like I'm not, I have to be 100% convinced. And he said, okay, well, you go pray about it. You ask God to show you the truth. And I was like, will do, man. So I went in the house and I prayed, and maybe for the third or fourth time in my whole life, I don't know and I just said, god, I don't know who you are and I don't know what you are, but I know you're there. Cs Lewis has convinced me of that and everything this guy just said in my backyard sounds amazing. But I do not want to believe a lie, so please show me the truth.
Speaker 2:And, man, two weeks later I was at a wedding. I got called out of the blue to be the best man at a wedding of a guy that I was really best friends with in like junior high. But then we went to high school and I got into partying and drugs and stuff and he got into sports. We just didn't talk for years. Calls me out of the blue and, looking back, I think that was God's way of making sure I showed up. So I show up to this wedding.
Speaker 2:I'm the best man and it is like over the top Christian wedding. I mean the whole message that the preacher's given is like he's talking to all the people about the meaning of marriage. And I remember thinking the whole time like man, aren't you coming on a little strong, like let's tone it down a little bit. You know, quit quoting the Bible, right? And we go to the wedding reception and I'm in this big crowd of people and I meet this old man and we get to talking and I noticed he had this picture frame and I said what is that? And he said, well, this is the present for this is the gift for the bride and groom. He's like this is one of the happiest days of my life. I'm the grandfather of the bride and this represents the most important thing in life. And I'm thinking, man, I'm kind of a philosophical guy. What's the? I think about, I love thinking about this stuff. What's what is the most important thing in life? And he looked me dead in the eyes and I'm telling you. The whole room, just everybody disappeared from my mind.
Speaker 2:He said you know what young man, god, god's telling me to talk to you about Jesus. And I thought, right, as it was happening, I thought, wait a second. Like you and that Mexican lawn service guy from two weeks ago y'all don't know each other and I know you're not both going to churches where the preachers are sitting there, hey, walk up to total strangers and say this phrase. Where the preachers are sitting there, hey, walk up to total strangers and say this phrase. I knew it wasn't a coincidence and he just told me. He said young man. He said I know God has plans for you, but you won't believe in him unless I share with you what happened to me. And he said I've only shared this with family members and a few very close friends, but I know God wants me to share this with you today. And so I'm sitting there thinking what in the heck is this guy about to share?
Speaker 2:And he shared a near-death experience with me that he had as a believer and follower of Jesus got into a car wreck back in the 50s, burst through the windshield, basically died on the ground and experienced heaven for a while. According to him and I mean he described meeting Jesus he described a love that you can't even fathom. He said it was so intense. The love pouring off of Jesus was so intense that he almost couldn't stand on his feet. And he told this crazy story which would take me 15 minutes to share it in detail and then so we parted ways. That whole time I'd had my eyes on one of the bridesmaids I'm like we're going to meet tonight. Right After he told me that story, I was like stunned. I mean I couldn't believe it, and I just kept thinking about it every day. And one day I was just outside looking up at the sky and it just hit me like a ton of bricks and I thought, wait a second. I met this guy at the gym that had something so special about him and it was all connected to Christianity.
Speaker 2:Then I read this book that doesn't just make good sense, it seems to make perfect sense. Which for somebody like me to say that I disagree with all kinds of stuff. If I read a book, I'm to find things I like and don't like. This book, I liked everything, I agreed with everything. Then I meet this total stranger in my backyard that says God is telling me to talk to you about Jesus and everything he said just kind of hit me in the heart in a way it's hard to describe.
Speaker 2:Then I meet another total stranger at a wedding that said God is telling me to talk to you about Jesus and told me this crazy story about how he met Jesus when he died. And I thought, oh my God, I know you now. I know who you are. You have revealed yourself to me and I had tears of joy. Man, I had no sense of guilt. I didn't feel bad for all the girlfriends I'd had over the last whatever years. I didn't feel bad for violence. I didn't feel bad for any of it. I just had joy and I really felt like. I felt like I'd been let out of a cave and I felt like the devil was walking me around like a dog on a leash and I didn't even know it and that pissed me off. So it was immediate. That was the last day I got drunk. That was the last day I did drugs. I didn't say a cuss word for like 10 years. It was a total break from everything, because I thought you can't get me to put that collar back on. It's never going back on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, wow, yeah. That's a lot of folks out there that you know. They say one thing and lots of times it has to do with, you know, religion or God or whatever. And I just think that kind of like you, in this situation, you were able to hear the message, you were aware enough to put the puzzle pieces together and say, all right, there must be something here.
Speaker 1:And I don't know, you know, I don't know if that happens for everybody. I mean, everybody's path is different. I know that for me, you know, it's taken a lot of bumps and scrapes and a lot of pain for me to realize like I'm not in control. And the quicker I'm not in control, the better my life's going to be. I can't predict the outcome of what, how something's going to go. I don't know. You know, we don't know if we're going to wake up tomorrow. We hear that a lot People say that a lot. That's just the truth, like we don't know. So you know, uh, it's like going back to presence. I mean you, if you live in the future or you live in the past, it's really hard to be present with somebody and I think that God, holy spirit, jesus, whatever you want to call it brings that humility. If you can accept it, does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, totally agree, man. I think everybody's. I think the message is being communicated, but that's the question is are you listening? Are you stopping to think about it? Are you aware? But you asked a question about hard times. That was a real exciting time in my life. I think the hardest thing I've gone through is getting married.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I've been married for 12 years. I mean those first few years were rough.
Speaker 1:Why is that?
Speaker 2:Well, you know, it's funny, it's like before I became a believer and follower of Jesus, I was one of the typical kind of tough guy, alpha male type of guy. And then I become a believer and I become real sensitive and you know crying and stuff and it's just like. And then you know you have all this baggage, that that that God deals with and life deals with you have to deal with and I and some of that stuff just stays dormant until the right situation comes out. So I mentioned to you I grew up in a broken home. My dad left when I was four. We lived in Virginia at the time. He moved to New York and I had two older sisters. They're both my half sisters. They both have different dads. All three of us have different dads. They've never even met their dads. So just a lot of brokenness there. Of course, when you're a kid it's normal, it's like, well, I don't know any different.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:But when what I had developed over time and I'd always had a lot of girlfriends you know, longest girlfriend I ever had was nine months Pretty much. Every other one was like two to three weeks at a time I mean I just could not keep relationships or I'd find somebody else that I wanted to meet or what you know. It's just a mess, total mess. So when I became a believer and followed that the new way, I stayed single for 10 years because I thought I don't want to mess some girl's life up Like I don't know how to treat a woman, I don't know how to have a healthy relationship, I don't know what family's supposed to look like in a healthy way. So it kind of got put on the back burner in a safe place. Then I met the woman who's my wife now and man, I didn't realize it, but I had severe anxiety over the status of our relationship, and when I say severe, what I mean is, let's say so when she and I started dating. We met on eHarmony, we started dating. I started to really fall for her and I'd been praying about my future wife for years and I knew she was it. I just knew. Like I remember calling my mom saying I think I'm going to marry this woman. And my mom was like hey, when you know, you know, you know. So I would maybe send her a text to say hey, how's it going? If she didn't respond immediately, like if an hour went by or something, I'd immediately start to think oh man, what's going on? Like is are we okay? Is she okay? Did I do something? Did I say something? Are we, you know? Basically, are we breaking apart? Is there a divide taking place? And I mean there were a million different scenarios where that would play out and sometimes I'd have to just call her and say are we okay? On the extreme side, we would get in an argument and she wouldn't talk to me, because we have totally different methods of dealing with conflict. I like to work stuff out, I like to talk, I like to resolve it, because there's an anxiety there, like we need to be okay. You know, because my assumption going into it, which I didn't know at the time, was that the most meaningful relationships in your life break apart, they're not safe, they're not stable. That's the way it is.
Speaker 2:And so I went into marriage and went into this relationship with my wife, with that, so we would get in an argument. I'd want to work it out. She would want to flee and want distance and space and that what that looks like is I'm not talking to you and walk, like physically walk out of the room. Well, I couldn't handle it, man. I mean, I straight up could not handle it. Like I would lose it. I'd be on the side of my bed weeping, asking God to help us stay close, help us stay together, and the amount of fear that would come up, just thinking we're not at what if this is the end, you know. And meanwhile she would cool down a couple hours later and be fine and be ready to talk and I've gone through like emotional hell for the last 12 hours.
Speaker 2:So the first few years were like that man and it took a lot of prayer and it took a lot of counseling marriage counseling. We did premarital counseling and post-marital counseling and I needed to hear thousands of times we're okay, I'm not going anywhere. Dylan, I know I was upset. Please forgive me for the rude things I said and I would have to ask forgiveness for the way I acted in an argument or whatever, but I had to hear it and in fact I even had to tell myself years ago. I would have to tell myself it's okay, she's not going anywhere, we're going to be okay. I would have to say that out loud we're going to be okay.
Speaker 1:I would have to say that out loud. Is it safe to assume that? Dylan, no-transcript? Is there some? There was something, and I only reason I say that is because you know, through, uh, this process of of you know I I've been away. You know I've been separated from my wife for I don't know eight months now and we're obviously getting a divorce. But I am in a new relationship and one of the things that I've done differently this time is I was okay with me going into this relationship. I was okay just being friends with this girl, and it took a lot of conversation. I have somebody that helps me in the program and I had a lot of conversations with that individual about, you know, not dragging old stuff into this new relationship, because I've done this a couple of times.
Speaker 1:I don't want the same result that I've been getting, and so one of the things that I had to do is just be okay with being completely and utterly honest and not worry about what happens on the other end of that. And that was hard to do, it was really hard. You know, it's funny. We were sitting and we were talking about this this morning and I said to her you know, the reason that we have such a tight relationship is because I just got completely naked, right, I just got completely naked. I just, you know all of my shit. You know all the dark, dark parts of dark corners of the of the dirty house, like you, just you know everything and I know everything about the dark corners of her life, the things that I want to know about. There are some things that we don't talk about. The things that I want to know about. There are some things that we don't talk about. And we both agree, like it is not going to serve me to know what your sexual history was. I just don't need to know that because it doesn't really matter to me what that was. It matters to me what you are now and I think through kind of back to the presence thing.
Speaker 1:The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle has been a book that's really helped me understand. I'm OK with me and I'm OK with how things are going to turn out, regardless of what. That is because I am going to be OK, I'm going to stay sober and I'm going to keep living my life. That is because I am going to be okay, I'm going to stay sober and I'm going to keep living my life. But there are times she was just out of town for two weeks and there were times over those two weeks that I would fall back into that old mindset similar to what you're talking about. You know what if, what if, the what ifs, and really that's just a fear based Thought pattern and I can sit in that and I can get into it and I can catastrophize it from now to the end of Sunday and and it really is just my own thoughts of what ifs, I think, you know, just being completely open to no expectation in this relationship has helped me to be okay in this relationship. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:That's good. Yeah, you got to have acceptance. I mean, there has to be acceptance there of everything I am and everything I'm not. This is it, this is me, you know. So you can love that or love what you hope I'll become, but that's may never happen.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, when I met, when I met Stacy, my wife, I tried to scare her away because I thought, man, I'm, I really like this girl. So I think on our second date I was like, look, I've been a drug dealer. So I think on our second date I was like, look, I've been a drug dealer. I've, you know, had this many girlfriends. I've done this, I've done that, done this, done that, all this stuff.
Speaker 2:And she was just like, well, that was before your relationship with God, right? And I'm like, yeah, that was the old me, pretty much. And she's like, okay, and I was like, whoa, because she grew up in the opposite, she had like the idealistic home mom and dad together, raised in a good home, went off to college, played sports, all this stuff that I never experienced. I didn't even go to college, I didn't even apply, I didn't even take the SATs when I was in high school. I was like, yeah, that's going to be a joke and so, yeah, I think that acceptance is huge.
Speaker 2:For me, a lot of it was trust, you know, just not trusting that this thing, that I'm in love with this relationship, just not believing that it would be stable, I just I had such an intense belief that it was unstable all the time, so I would inject that into it. We'd be fine, and I would need to talk about how we were doing. You know, and, uh, it took a lot of man, it took a lot of counseling to work that stuff out. Yeah, yeah, I'm a big fan of counseling.
Speaker 1:You know we don't, I don't, I don't, I don't. I mean I guess you could say with me working with my sponsor in the recovery program. He's not a shrink, he's not my psychiatrist, but if there's something I'm dealing with that he's got experience with, which is a lot, which I know now as we've gone through the last year and a half or however long it's been. Know, I know why I got played. You know, I know why he was the guy, because he's gone through a lot of the stuff that I have and he doesn't give me advice, but he does tell me what he sees and and, you know, I think there's a lot of power in that if you could trust the person that's telling you that and I do trust him and I do trust what he tells me and if he would have said like, well, actually he did say. He said, you know, I don't know if right now is the best time for you to be in, you know, a romantic relationship. And of course I say, well, what does that mean? What does that mean exactly? Define romantic? He said you don't need to be in a sexual relationship, right? I said I'm cool with that. And I was cool with that.
Speaker 1:And what happened out of that and this is just God, you know, I accepted this was how I needed to do things and I vocalized that with her and it changed the whole game and I was, you know, not you know. The last thing I want to vocalize was that, but it changed how we developed because I was following guidance that has been proven, like that's what he did right, and so he's been married for 18 years and, you know, got to be open, you know, and not everybody's, you know is going to be the best. You got to have discernment where you're getting information from, because sometimes it's one sided and ironically, in this relationship we've seen people who we both consider friends, like a friend of mine, friend of hers that have turned out to not be the people that we thought they were, because evidently there was maybe I mean, maybe there was an ulterior motive or I'm not really sure what, and it's not really my like, I don't, it doesn't really matter to me because I don't have the you know, I don't have to live with that. If that makes any sense. Yeah, so, dude, this has been. I know we're probably getting close on time. We've got a little bit longer, so let's shift gears for a minute. We've probably bored people to death this relationship stuff.
Speaker 1:So how do you you know, how do you guys, other than it helps roofers in this group, helps them financially what else are you guys bringing to the table Similar to this conversation that we're having? This is not a typical conversation you're going to hear between, necessarily, two people on a business podcast and so but I think these kind of conversations are important for people to have, and I know people in the trades roofers, hvac, plumbers you know there's a hard shell around a lot of these guys because they have grown up rough and a lot of them haven't had a lot of money and a lot of them are making a lot of money and they want to protect that, and that's where ego comes in. So how are you kind of breaking through that persona of you know, uh, the typical trades guy?
Speaker 2:Yeah, we, we, um, well, we, I think two, two-way well. Going back to the counseling thing, like there's wisdom in a multitude of counselors, right. So getting these guys together, I think there's a natural process to where they're helping each other and they're affecting each other, um, but we also make sure that whoever like, we have a monthly mastermind every month. The guy that facilitates that mastermind has a $40 million a year company, but he's extremely humble and open and he's a work in progress too. He's a great guy. He's very teachable, wants to learn, but also has a lot to share. So I think, you know, surrounding yourself with the right people, we want him to be very influential in our group, and so the guys get impacted by him. I'm passionate about relationships and personal development, so I get to get to share and facilitate conversations. I think it's just trying. You know, birds of a feather flock together. So I think if the leaders of our group are all aligned on that kind of stuff, then it's just going to be a blessing to our members, whereas if the leaders of our group are like you know, all they talk about is success and how much money they're making, then that's going to be the culture of the group and I don't want that. I don't care how much money somebody's making, good for you.
Speaker 2:One of my business mentors here in Dallas is a guy that his name is Jim Beckett. So, jim Beckett, if you ever collected basketball cards, baseball cards, any of that growing up, you had to look at the Beckett guide to see how much they were worth. Well, jim Beckett was a professor of statistics at SMU University and he had collected baseball cards since he was a kid. He tells a story of statistics at SMU university and he had collected baseball cards since he was a kid. He's he tells a story of the first time his dad took him to buy a baseball cards. He's five years old. So the way his mind works is he likes to categorize and catalog stuff. So he just started doing it as a hobby and writing down all the different pricing and year and you year and all this stuff. Well, he turned that into the Beckett Guide. Well, the Beckett Guide quickly became the number one or one of the top publishing companies in the world, because every single card shop in the US and abroad had to buy a Beckett Guide every single month to get updated pricing. So that business just exploded right and he had a very healthy exit about 10 years ago from that business.
Speaker 2:He lives in a very nice part of Dallas, I think on six acres in a central part of Dallas, which is crazy, and his house is beautiful. He's got a great. I've been to multiple Dallas Mavericks games with him. He's a good friend, he's a great business mentor. But the guy that lives across the street from him lives in what looks like a small castle and I've never seen any lights on, I've never seen a car in the driveway.
Speaker 2:And one day I asked Jim I'm like what does that guy do Like? I know Jim's a wealthy man, but what in the world does his neighbor do? Like his neighbor makes Jim look poor. And he said, oh, that guy owns hundreds of dental practices all over the US. And he shared a little bit more about what he knew about the guy and I thought, wow, that guy's probably one of the richest people I could ever know and he's and I'm richer than he is. He's one of the poorest people that I've ever heard about, because the closest relationships in his life are broken, he's never home, he's got all these assets that he doesn't get to enjoy. So that just really impacted me, man, so that? So that's why in our group, like it's all about relationships, man, nobody cares how much money you made your roofing business. How can we help each other?
Speaker 1:Yeah, that makes sense. You know, and I'm you know, I've been buddies with Posey for I don't know several years now and really that's how I got connected with him, is just building a relationship. In fact, I don't even's how I got connected with him, is just building a relationship. In fact, I don't even know how I got connected with him, but he's made a huge impact in my life and Robert's one of the guys that is, you know. Obviously I think he's one of the founders also, right.
Speaker 2:Robert's. He's Chief Revenue Officer.
Speaker 1:All right, chief revenue officer. Either way, he's got a big job in the company. You know, and I just connected with Robert on a different you know just a different level, and you know, if that guy called me today, he lives in Atlanta, Georgia. I live in Raleigh, north Carolina If he called me today and needed something, I would just I would drop what I was doing to go help him because I know he'd do the same for me. And so there's people like that in the organization that I just think are really valuable. And you're right, the people you surround yourself with you know it's either going to make you a better person or it's not. You know, and it's a choice. You make a choice of who you want to be around, and so I think that's really cool. What does it cost I shouldn't say cost what's the membership to be in the Limitless group? And then what do you see in the returns looking like being in Limitless group?
Speaker 2:Yeah, the cost to join our group is free, so it's kind of like a think of it like a Costco membership that you get for free. You get your membership, you join, you save. It's that simple. You're going to save money on everything from general liability insurance to shingles, to everything between marketing, you name it. We do have a paid level, though, for guys that want to be part of that community, learn from one another and stuff like that. That's five grand a year At that. Want to be part of that community learn from one another and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:That's five grand a year. Uh, at the time of the recording of this podcast, it's five grand a year, or 500 bucks a month. And then we've got a next level above that, called forged, which is really involved intimate setting, weekly calls, um some amazing kind of mentors and stuff like that and that's that's 10 grand a year or a thousand bucks a month. And we've we've assessed other groups, we've been a part of other groups and um really love what all of them have to offer. But we wanted to build something that is like with forged when you join, you have a team of leaders surrounding you. You're not going to operate on an island anymore and those people that are surrounding you are very good people, very successful people, and can help take you to the next level and not pay the stupid tax every step of the way.
Speaker 1:So that leads me to my next question. You've got an event coming up. Talk to me about that a bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we started. We did our first event last year. We're doing another one this year. It's going to be at the Kansas City Chiefs Stadium. It's called the Limitless Roofing Summit. We're going to have four to 500 roofing owners there. So, going back to the owner, we serve the owner. This event is for owners to learn from one another. Events that have just speaker, speaker, speaker, speaker, speaker. We are going to have a few speakers, but we're also going to have hours of round table time where you throw a topic out on the table and those 10 owners sitting at that table all weigh in on it. We're going to have hot seat time where you share the biggest challenge in your business right now and all these guys get to ask you questions and give feedback. So it's meant to be a pivotal experience and it's just a one day event.
Speaker 1:That's pretty cool, dude. You know you'll find out, you know you'll. It sounds like to me that you're going to, you know. If you're in that hot seat and whatever challenge you're going through, it may hurt to hear that advice or hear that information back, but if you take it, you know you take it and you do something with it. That's where the growth happens. You know what I mean, because those people don't have. They don't have, you know, they don't have a horse in the race for telling you what you know. Maybe they did differently or what you could do differently, other than they're part of that, that, that group. So that's really, that's really cool man. That's really yeah.
Speaker 2:One day. Yeah, we're looking forward to October 1st in Kansas City.
Speaker 1:OK, and where can people find out more about that?
Speaker 2:Just go to our website, limitless Roofing Group dot com, and we're going to have several sponsor partners there. Whohire is going to be there. We're really looking to make it a special time and we're going to have a mixer the night before and just hang out together, and we're going to have a VIP dinner the night of the event. But one of our title sponsors is Tamco shingle manufacturer and they're going to do some cool stuff, man they're. I don't want to say what they're going to make happen at the at the stadium, but it's, it's, it's legit. I mean, it's going to be quite an experience.
Speaker 1:That's cool, man. That's really cool. You're expecting four or 500 business owners as of now. That's really cool, man. I'm I'm really, uh, really excited for you guys and I think you know, I know several people on your team and it's you got a good group brewing and I think that's that's important. So you know, dylan, if people want to reach out to you, where's the best place for them to do that?
Speaker 2:For me personally, probably just Facebook, and for our, for our group, you know, just the website, the limitlessroofingGroupcom. I'm not too active on LinkedIn, so I think Facebook's probably best. Perfect and then is it just Dylan McCabe on Facebook? Yeah, you'll see. You'll know it's the right profile if you see a guy standing there like this with a Limitless shirt on All right, fair enough.
Speaker 1:Well, dylan, it's been a great conversation, my man, I really appreciate the time today and, uh, good luck to you, my friend.
Speaker 2:Hey, thanks for having me on. Man Really appreciate it.
Speaker 1:My pleasure.
